I sent him an email explaining that the founding fathers were in no way, shape, or form Christian. I included quotes in it from Jefferson, Madison, Paine, and Adams ("The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion." - fucking argue with that!). I talked about how Jefferson even created his own version of the Bible by editing out the parts in the gospel where Jesus performs miracles. Just for good measure, I threw in a tidbit about Abraham Lincoln's destroyed manuscript challenging Christianity....The fundamental Christian value is that Jesus Christ is our Lord and Savior, who died for our sins upon the cross, and gives salvation to those who love him. If ANY Christian values are adopted, they cannot be adopted without that fundamental belief. You are nice to people because Jesus tells you to turn the other cheek. If you do not believe in Jesus or the Bible, then you have a DIFFERENT reason for being a nice guy. It is no longer a Christian value, even if the end result is the same!...
There are some legitimate places in history where the role of Christianity was indeed important. Martin Luther King Jr, for example, was a minister. No doubt that his beliefs were influenced by his faith. That's fine. You can claim one for the team on that one. But in doing so, you've also got to admit that faith played some role in the crazy guy who bombs abortion clinics. You can't just claim all the good and then dismiss the bad as "not Christian enough." You have to realize that Christ made this guy every bit as bat shit insane as he became. That his faith was his downfall.
There's just no big picture at work here. Christians don't even know who they are. They have no concept of their own history, of their own existence. They realize that somewhere in the past, maybe Christianity was warped in a bad way and people got hurt. But that was a mistake. Could never happen again, right? They make such a huge effort to ignore their own darker side, that they never recognize it when it appears....
I mean, look at some of the most famous atheists, agnostics, and deists in history: Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, James Madison, John Adams, Abraham Lincoln, George Washington, Sir Frances Bacon, Isaac Asimov, Carl Sagan, Ayn Rand, Thomas Paine, Albert Einstein, Voltaire, Galileo, Arthur C. Clarke, Thomas Edison, Stephen Hawking, Frank Lloyd Wright, Charles Darwin, Mark Twain - what do these guys all have in common? Well, they are some of the smartest mother fuckers in history. When atheists get to say, "We've got Stephen Hawking, Thomas Jefferson, and Albert Einstein" on our side," who wouldn't be jealous? Who wouldn't rather have these guys on their side?
Next thing you know, people are going to start saying Socrates was Christian.
From S. Howard's blog; his (correct) thoughts on America as a Christian nation.
And here is a website with non-Christian quotes from our Founding Fathers.
















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